7 youths get prisonDefendants given option to apply for boot camp-style program to shorten sentences By Jill Coley (Contact)
The Post and Courier
Originally published 12:00 a.m., July 23, 2008
Updated 10:55 a.m., July 23, 2008 
Alan Hawes Michael Dawley hugs his sister Meghan on Tuesday as Deputy Bill Gunter prepares to take him into custody after Dawley and other defendants were sentenced to prison for their roles in a 2006 armed robbery of a Food Lion store in Mount Pleasant. 
Alan Hawes Arial Hudler (from left), Kelly Dudinyak and Alex Rowe react to the sentencing of six teens in a 2006 robbery of a Food Lion. A seventh teen was sentenced later Tuesday. Additional storiesSeven teens plead guilty in robbery published 12/20/07 Armed robbery, 10-year prison sentences and the downfall of two Wando High School teens: How did this happen? published 02/10/08 Two teens, two holdups, two choices published 1/12/08 They all asked for mercy, but in the end, seven Wando High School students will go to prison. For how long depends on them. Sentenced Tuesday for their role in the armed robbery of a Food Lion grocery store were Christopher Cousins, Graham Stolte, Jackie Washington, Michael Dawley, Vincent Weiner, Max Hartwell and Patrick Brown. All were sentenced according to the Youthful Offender Act. Under the act, sentences can stretch to six years, depending on the crime and the offender's behavior in prison. The defendants also received the option to apply for the Shock Incarceration Program, which is an intensive boot camp-style program that could shorten their sentences. The program lasts between 90 and 120 days. If they do not qualify for the Shock program, they likely will serve between 12 to 18 months if they are well-behaved, defense attorneys said. They will serve their time in a facility that houses 16- to 25-year-old offenders. The first six to be sentenced pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit armed robbery and accessory after the fact of armed robbery, which carry sentences of up to five years and 15 years, respectively. Brown pleaded only to the latter charge. The defendants were between 16 and 18 years old at the time of their arrests and were charged as adults. A final defendant, Sam Perez, has yet to be sentenced by another judge. That date has not been set. Ninth Circuit Solicitor Scarlett Wilson recommended the Youthful Offender Act, but without the option of Shock Incarceration Program, for the six defendants facing two felonies. The judge gave Brown the sentence Wilson recommended. During Brown's afternoon sentencing, Wilson outlined three levels of culpability for those involved in the Aug. 26, 2006, holdup. The highest level went to the lead culprits, Michael Anthony, 19, and Sean Shevlino, 17, both of whom were sentenced to 10 years in January. The six defendants sentenced Tuesday morning were second highest, planning the holdup and serving as lookouts. And Brown's involvement was the least culpable, Wilson argued, as he found himself in the car on the way there and took $10 after the robbery. Ninth Circuit Judge Roger Young asked Brown if he called the police or ran away when he learned what was happening. Brown replied, "No." Young encouraged Brown that if he successfully completed the military-style program, he could be home by January. "Sometimes the first time you step across the line, you step across in a big-time way," Young said. Supporters for the first six defendants filled the courtroom and jury box. At one point, Young halted the proceedings because he could see teenagers outside the courtroom standing on benches. Lawyers representing the defendants brought forward family members, counselors, coaches and church leaders to speak on their behalf. Several defendants stated their disbelief that Shevlino would go through with the planned robbery. All apologized to their families and the community. Four of the seven sentenced — Cousins, Dawley, Hartwell and Weiner — had brushes with the police during the two-year period, with their names appearing in incident reports for underage drinking. None were arrested. Perez, the remaining defendant to be sentenced, was cited July 1 for hosting a party with underage drinking. "I have great concern for someone who is out on bond for armed robbery continuing to party while underage," Wilson said. Young laid out his logic for his decision at length, noting that to some it will appear lenient and to others, harsh. The perception that the defendants are all from privileged backgrounds is misguided, Young said. One family lost their home due to debt following their son's arrest. In his rationale, Young balanced the immaturity of youth with the seriousness of the crime. "You didn't hold the gun, but you did something really wrong," he said. Youthful Offender Act The Youthful Offender Act is for offenders ages 17 to 24 and carries a sentence of up six years. The sentence is served within the S.C. Department of Corrections, and the offender may be conditionally released within the six years, based on offense category and an evaluation. The court may also order an offender to complete the Shock Incarceration Program, a strict military boot camp-style program that lasts 90 to 120 days. Offenders must apply for the program and can be denied by the Corrections Department for medical reasons or attitude. If denied, offenders return to the normal Youthful Offender Act sentence. Offenders will be subject to Youthful Offender Act parole for up to six years following their sentence. Approximately 150 offenders are released under the supervision of S.C. Department of Probation, Parole and Pardon Services each month. Editor's note: Earlier versions of this story misspelled Judge Roger Young's name and gave an incorrect title. The Post and Courier regrets the error. |
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Posted by sethook on July 23, 2008 at 1:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow!!!!!!!! Who'd a thunk it would happen? 7 for 7. Gotta give the judge credit for holding the kids accountable and giving them a correct sentence.
Posted by ForPnC on July 23, 2008 at 4:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good going Judge!
PnC - You've beat this horse to death. Move on to other news, please.
Posted by whalernut on July 23, 2008 at 4:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think this should send a message to them.
Posted by Thomas1776 on July 23, 2008 at 4:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yeah .. and to think Judge Roger Young gave a woman who was DUI, and killed another person as a result of such, just probation. Wooooooooooooo!
Posted by moonpie on July 23, 2008 at 6:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm shocked. I thought he would slap their hands.
Hey you wanna be a thug you get to go to jail with thugs. That's where they end up. I think he was more than fair considering...
Posted by wpc3iop on July 23, 2008 at 6:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm sure most of these young hoodlums will opt for the Shock program and get out in a few months...Maybe they will learn from this experience and straighten out their lives...MAYBE...I hope so for their sake and the sake of their families.
Posted by RW on July 23, 2008 at 7:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hopefully the little dingleberries will learn a lesson!
Posted by SCGirl0901 on July 23, 2008 at 7:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The unfortunate part of this is that the kids that go into "the system" will not, under any circumstances, be the same kids when they get out. And I don't mean that in a good way. Did they need punishment for what they did? Absolutely. I don't think that giving some up to six years fit the crime. There is way too much of an imbalance when it comes to crime and punishment around here. At this time, I have a convicted sex offender roaming my neighborhood with a camera (his victim was 9). Why is that??? His sentence was no where near what these kids have had handed down to them. Who do you think has been more traumatized by the crime they endured? The adults in that store or the child who has had her innocence stolen away.
I don't see how completely and totally ruining 7 lives is the answer here. These kids were easy targets that weren't going anywhere. Too bad law enforcement (from the police to the solicitors office) doesn't put this much effort into dealing with hard core crime in Charleston rather taking down private poker games and teenagers.
My heart goes out to the families, I couldn't imagine enduring a goodbye like that.
Posted by highclass on July 23, 2008 at 7:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SCGirl0901- These are not kids, they are criminals. They did the crime now they must do the time.
Posted by dogwoodroad on July 23, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What is the main thing that I find interesting here? That even after this happened - armed robbery committed by kids from Wando High School - the P&C and many families in the area still operate under the assumption that living in Mt Pleasant is better than anywhere else in the area. Reference a recent article about a woman complaining that she couldn't afford most housing in Mt Pleasant who wanted to live there because it was the best school district.
I personally wouldn't want to raise a family anywhere in this area...
Posted by SCGirl0901 on July 23, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I just reread my post and I couldn't find anything relating to a free pass. My concern is that there is a serious problem with punishment fitting the crimes. You have sex offenders and murderers running rampant over Charleston, but they are throwing the book at 16/17 year olds. THAT is my point.
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 7:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by SCGirl0901 on July 23, 2008 at 7:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The unfortunate part of this is that the kids that go into "the system" will not, under any circumstances, be the same kids when they get out.
I don't see how completely and totally ruining 7 lives is the answer here.
These punks were not the same kids before they go into the system. You must be one of thoses girls pictured or you are somehow invovled with this bunch. These pukes made choices that ruined thier own lives.
Maybe one day you a group of young thugs will threaten you with a gun and rob you. Then let's see hif your heart will go out to them and thier family.
Posted by Early on July 23, 2008 at 7:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Scarlett Wilson is screwed up, she's trying to teach these kids a lesson too harsh. How many drug dealers, sex offender and aggravated assaults has she let slip through without anything but probation. She's playing the reverse racism card to her advantage, that's it.
And as mentioned, HOW ABOUT THE GADSEDEN GREEN BOYS, SAME WEAPON, SAME MOTIVE AND NOT EVEN CHARGED, WHY?
WHAT IS HER REASON FOR THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Total BS
We need the white equivalent of the NAACP to rally!
Posted by simon_birch on July 23, 2008 at 7:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I hear alot of whineing about these 'poor kids'! These poor kids had they gotten away with this would have stored it away in thier little pea brain and been at it again soon enouugh and this time gotten someone killed!the fact that some of these 'kids' got into MORE trouble while out on bond proves they still don't get it!Let's not forget they may get the shock treatment and be out in 90 days harded and with an attitude that will surly have them back in jail soon! They did the crime and now do the time. The only thing that was missing was some time for the parents! Parents are failing to TAKE control of thier kids! Using the lame excuse 'not mine' over and over! GET REAL parents! The real world is full of opportunities for kids to get into trouble without parental supervision IN THE HOME! Stop with the computers locked behind closed doors. Myspace and the rest of those stupid sites that incourage stunts like this, and thats what they think they are STUNTS!.Wake up parents, take your kids back and act like parents and stop with the 'NOT MY KIDS' lame attitude and the start with responsible teens with jobs and no fast cars and unlimited bank accounts and curfews and bedtimes. Its your kids. They WILL be next.
Posted by Tammie on July 23, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think the punishment fit.
Posted by counterpoint on July 23, 2008 at 8:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You are all diseased.
Posted by Early on July 23, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Simon, all got in trouble while waiting sentence for the last two years?
Where is your prove?
Posted by SCGirl0901 on July 23, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
No Jeff... I'm not one of "the girls pictured here" and wouldn't know any of these people if I tripped over them. Let's spin it on you for a minute.. Let's say your son made an extremely bad judgement call one night. No other problems to speak of, good student, etc.. And this happened to him, but yet you had to look around and see people that have taken the lives of others, ruined childrens lives walking around with a slap on the wrist and a smile. Not once did I say anything about them not deserving to be punished, called them 'poor kids'.. AGAIN... My whole issue with the situation is the clear imbalance of sentencing.
And it's sad for any family to go through something like this. But glad to know that there are so many "hard core" parents out there - that would just sit wave as their children are led away. Something tells me you wouldn't share the same sentiment had it been YOU.
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted on July 22 at 3:17 p.m. (Re-posting)
southbel,
I agree with your statement to a degree. I typed up an elaborate post about the sentences handed down to the Gadsden Green boys and these sentences and said basically the same thing. Unfortunately, my PC went down and it never made it to the post. At any rate what I said was the two sentences (Wando and GG) only act as an example of how unfair the legal system can be. I don't understand how these two sets of kids can commit the same crime and have their sentences be so far off from each other. 2 of the Wando boys get 10 years each and none of the GG boys even come close to going to prison.
And then you have the possibility of boot camp for the rest of the Wando crew. It is good that they are being given the chance to be rehabilitated, but why aren't the GG boys given the same opportunity? They are just put back into situations where they will come back and continue a life of crime because all they received was a tap on the back of the hand. We have a truly warped system here.
Posted by SCgal on July 23, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
“It’s just not fair to throw somebody away on their first offense, to throw their life away for 10 years,” said senior Matthew Wallace, a long time friend of Mike’s. “That’s not right. You’re basically saying they are not worth being a part of society.”
Sean’s parents, Peter and April Shevlino, feel the sentence was “unjust.
“Our biggest concern with [Wilson] is that she ignored the fact that [Mike and Sean] were 15, 16, 17-year- old kids,” Peter said. “A solicitor is tasked with being just, not simply prosecuting to the fullest extent of the law.”
“She could have done less [of a sentence] and didn’t.
She could have done anything she wanted,” April added.
However, Wilson did not see Family Court as a viable option because five of the involved were eligible for Family Court and five were not.
“The most culpable [Sean Shevlino] would have gone to Family Court, and the least culpable [lookouts only involved on Aug. 26, 2006] would have been in General Sessions [adult] court,” Wilson said. “Can you imagine that? That would have been horrible.”
Wilson received this case, along with all cases still pending
http://www.tribaltribune.com/articles/wi...
Where's the fair justice sending Mike Anthony, who was only a LOOK-OUT to an adult prison for 10 yrs vs. YOA?
Where was the YOA/Family court for Sean and Anthony?
In my opinion, manipulation of the system is NOT fair, "tough", aggressive justice!!!!
Commit murder- walk free
Commit murder- 25 minute returned not guilty
Commit rape- go to prison and be released in a few months
Kill by DUI- house arrest
Embezzle- 1 yr house arrest
Commit same crime in GG- walk
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's the difference between saying "Let them go!" or "Okay, send them away for 12 to 18 months, but let's start going after everyone else too."
My mom isn't a hardcore parent, but if I committed armed robbery I'd probably turn myself in just to avoid whatever she does to me. It's called discipline.
Posted by Floger76 on July 23, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thats right. Throw the book at them. Never mind that they used a pellet gun. They did the crime, and should do the time. After all, they could have shot someone's eye out. There is no difference between a pellet gun and a loaded .45, right. And there should be no difference in the punishment. By the way. Lets crack down on everything. Anyone on this post ever bounced a check. After all. Check bouncing is a form of fraud, and fraud is a felony. And these thugs committed a felony, so lets make sure everyone does the time that their crime dictates.
Posted by SCgal on July 23, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good Luck Guys! Do your 30 @ Kirkland, get into the boot camp, do your 90 days, hurry home, & move forward putting this all behind you!!
Posted by Larz13 on July 23, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well done.
Posted by RW on July 23, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Counterpoint?
Diseased..? What...? explain!
Posted by common_sense on July 23, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think the larger question here is:
Who would rob a Food Lion? Why not Publix, Teeters, or Whole Foods? At least you have a better chance of scoring more loot for the more affluent clientele that shops at these places.
I'm just sayin...
Posted by DaisyMae on July 23, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by SCGirl0901 on July 23, 2008 at 8:13 a.m.
"My whole issue with the situation is the clear imbalance of sentencing"
I agree with you on this 100%. There are SO many people walking around that really should be locked up... I see this on a daily basis. We hear about it ever day on the news. I totally agree that these kids should be punished. I have a 13 year old daughter. I would like to think that she wouldn't make a decision like this, but if she were to make a poor choice one night and something like this happened, I'd make sure that she was punished accordingly. That said, I think with the system the way it is now, I'm not sure she'd get fair sentencing.
Not sure about the 6 years, but the boot-camp idea sounds like a great idea for a first time offender.
I do think that the other two, who got ten years, were aptly sentenced.
Posted by SCHoser on July 23, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
All of this could have been avoided had these creeps chosen NOT TO COMMIT ARMED ROBBERY! It's not complicated at all. To make matters worse, they could have bettered the situation by staying out of trouble while awaiting sentencing, but they couldn't even do that! I have no sympathy for them at all. Yes it sucks when other hard core criminals go free or get out early, but that doesn't mean you just look the other way on crime and is really a non-issue. No one has ever stated that it would be easy to watch your child be led away from court, but it's not in the parents' hands anymore. They had the chance to raise their kids to know right from wrong, and to do the right thing. Now, since that hasn't happened, the state must take over and do what the citizens demand and jail the little criminals. They now have choices to make in their lives on which way they want to go and what kind of men they want to be, and I would say they are very lucky at this point!
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Did they not also steal a car or something the day after robbing Food Lion and rob a Subway or am I confusing this with another case??
Posted by SCGirl0901 on July 23, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Let's spin it on you for a minute.. Let's say your son made an extremely bad judgement call one night.
SCGIRL,
This was not a one night bad judgement call. They sat down and planned this robbery over the course of several days. It not like they all jumped in one car on a whime. There was several cars involved using communication devices... Don't spin this as a one night bad judgement call.
Posted by SCgal on July 23, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I do think that the other two, who got ten years, were aptly sentenced.
Why Mike Anthony for 10 yrs- no gun in hand, no entrance into vault, just a look-out like the others? What makes him "special"?
Posted by wpc3iop on July 23, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Early: When is the next meeting of that white equivalent to the NAACP? I want to attend and JOIN!
Posted by SCgal on July 23, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
They are teens- go read the studies over the years about how the teen's mind/brain develops/matures.
Besides what overall good will our community have once these teens endure 8.5 24 x 7 in a level 2 SC prison facility with rapist, murderers, child molesters?
Fastforward to 8.5 and now your neighbor is a 24 - 26 yr old who spent his formative years in a SC prison system getting f&)*@ed up vs. going into a boot camp, YOA prison system!
Posted by willbillbedamned on July 23, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's a damn shame the comment section doesn't have spell check. It seems that the more strident or conservative a position is, the worse the spelling. Here's a primer for some of you. It is "their" not "thier" It is "proof" not "prove" when used in that context. The comment section is truly a teacher's nightmare.My mistake, I just typed "thier" and it is underlined in red. I guess spell check works. If you see a word underlined in red, it means it's wrong, folks.
Posted by SCgal on July 23, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The above is in reference to the 2 teens who rec'd 10 yrs for a pellet gun use!
And what ya got to say about the supposed master-mind, who in the CC records has 7 00 8 run ins, who supposedly ratted them out and walks free to commit yet again and again and has? He walks and contiunes to walk scott-free!
Yeh, that's some mighty fine fair justice there no ain't it ya'll!
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"white equivalent to the NAACP"
That would be the KKK according to some on here, wouldn't it? I know if I see a burning cross in my yard standing next to a Confederate flag, Early and wpc are the first ones I'm looking for!
Posted by Weeeee on July 23, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bouncing a check is hardly armed robbery, Floger. Try using a bit of common sense while trying to make comparisons.
You bleeding hearts make me ill. You must think their crime is acceptable because it was only a bb gun or whatever stupid reason you can come up with. Get real.
What's depressing is they'll be let out early for good behavior and their "outrageous" sentences won't be even nearly served.
Posted by riddiksgirl on July 23, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
They should've all been made to join the Marine Corps and sticking with it for four years. If they don't complete boot camp, or get kicked out their sentence would start over. Give this option to the other guys everybody keeps talking about as well. USMC almost always makes for some well rounded individuals.
Posted by mythoughtsonly on July 23, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
common_sense,
Thanks for a little humor in what undoubtedly is a very sad stiutation.
Posted by common_sense on July 23, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
That's what I'm here for, mythoughtsonly. Sorta.
I'm just sayin...
Posted by disco on July 23, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think justice was served in this case. Next....
Posted by VMI90 on July 23, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Slap on the wrist? These spoiled punks got off easy. This was not a stunt, people- this was armed robbery, and don't you forget it. I grew up in Mt P, and rest assured when I tell you that people are treated much more favorably over there. Also, the fact that they could afford much better attorneys than the average Joe shows what is wrong with our legal system. If this was Joe 6 pack in North Charleston, or a black youth downtown, their sentences would have been much worse. They got off easy- very easy..and anyone that thinks anything less is delusional.
Posted by Early on July 23, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Lovely_One
No, not the KKK. that was not my intent in the post. You have to give the NAACP credit that they can rally support when needed. I find this an admirable trait and what I was trying to comment was we need an equivalent in the white race, one that would rally people together for a common cause but, white people will not do this, it's not their concern so it doesn't matter.
I think your reply was a little harsh and uncalled for!
Posted by MSC on July 23, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SCGirl0901 and SCGal:
Which two are you in the picture of the crying girlfriends?
Posted by Time4action on July 23, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Armed robbery is not a game, it's not a thrill, it's a crime. Did the parents forget to tell these boys? They got what they deserved. Just wish parents were held more accountable to their children's behavior. That's the problem in the schools. Children today are raised by daycare and strangers. Parents, please, spend time with your kids, know where they are and who they are with. Teach them to respect authority. Yes, "control" your child. Don't let them control you. If your child has an attitude problem you can't handle, then maybe professional help is needed. I'm really not trying to be judgemental. In so many homes today, both parents work, come home tired and just want to relax. I can understand that. Raising a child can be difficult even with one parent staying home. We just have to get our priorties straight. Just remember, children of today are our leaders of tomorrow.
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Early,
My reply was in jest. I was making a mockery of what others call the NAACP on these boards. If it seems that I was being harsh, I assure you I was not and I apologize for it.
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
VMI, you obviously have not been following the Gadsden Green case!
Posted by dmwallac on July 23, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
william, I agree, all these spelling errors make me (sic).
Posted by VMI90 on July 23, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have, lovely. I was just making a point, and I stick by it. If they weren't in Mt Pleasant, they would be facing quite a few more years-
Posted by membruto on July 23, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Whether you stick a gun in someone's face, or are with someone who sticks a gun in someone's face -- you should be locked up PERMANENTLY no matter what your age is!!!
Posted by Floger76 on July 23, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by Weeeee on July 23, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bouncing a check is hardly armed robbery, Floger. Try using a bit of common sense while trying to make comparisons
Try using your brain Weeeee. Using a pellet gun is to a .45, as bouncing a check is to Al Parish. Its kinda like the SAT quesions were. Its called a comparison. But that must be over your head. Sorry about that.
And don't give me this bleeding heart crap. You must think that there is a difference in the fraud example because the check may have only been for $5.00. Pretty soon this check bouncer will turn into Al Parish
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by MSC on July 23, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SCGirl0901 and SCGal:
Which two are you in the picture of the crying girlfriends?
I keep asking the same thing. Both claim they have no connection to any of them or the familes. I throw the B.S flag on that.
SCGIRL,
This was not a one night bad judgement call. They sat down and planned this robbery over the course of several days. It not like they all jumped in one car on a whime. There was several cars involved using communication devices... Don't spin this as a one night bad judgement call.
Care to defend that fact as kids being kids???
Posted by ln1959 on July 23, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Early...better be careful about asking for a group like the NAACP. People on these threads have mention that their like the KKK....LOL
I also thought these kids had committed more crimes then the Food Lion escapade.
Justice in this country is imbalance and its been like that forever. We (black folks) have been complaining about this for a long time.
Yes, I agree, the Gadsden Green boys should have been charged. They all should be in jail, but thats the justice system and the people of Charleston has to be heard to make sure these things don't happen again.
I believe if you do the crime you do the time no matter who you are. The amount of time should be equal through out the justice system. Every judge should have to give out the same punishment for the same crime. But we all know this will not happen.
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ln1959, I made the same KKK observation...Lol!
Posted by SCgal on July 23, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm not any of those girls, nor do I personally know any involved, as a matter of fact, go check out my post yesterday in reference to CCSD and policy, note the time, and you will see I was not even there!
That's mighty fine FAIR justice there now, ain't it ya'll?
Hey how about sending Anthony and Shevlino one of those "get out of jail" cards like the repeated rapist received!
Posted by cpienciak on July 23, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SOUTH CAROLINA SENATE BETTER STAY ON TOP OF THESE KIDS!!!
WE KNOW FIRST HAND THAT SCDC DOES NOT DO THEIR JOB!!!!!!
WAKE UP AND CHANGE YOUR LAWS SOUTH CAROLINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JAMES BELLI JR 17 WAS SENTENCED TO 8 YEARS AND WAS STABBED IN THE NECK ON 8/23/06 HE DIED 8/24/06 MURDERED 4 MONTHS AFTER HE WAS PUT INTO PRISON. HE KNEW HIS LIFE WAS IN DANGER AND ASKED TO BE TRANSFERED BUT SCDC DID NOTHING ABOUT IT.
SORRY TO SAY THESE KIDS DON'T HAVE A CHANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEY ARE JUVENILES AND DO NOT BELONG IN PRISON!!!!!!!!!!!!
OUR PRAYERS GO OUT TO THESE FAMILIES BECAUSE WE KNOW FIRST HAND WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH. DON'T SAY IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN TO YOUR KID BECAUSE IT CAN.
JAMES BELLI JR'S AUNT
Posted by VMI90 on July 23, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you, Gadsden- at least you have common sense enough to see what I am saying. I hope at least these punks have to keep a felony on their records for the rest of their lives...I'd rather have seen them get a minimum of 5 yrs, but that is the best I can hope for, I guess.
Posted by Time4action on July 23, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't believe the KKK and NAACP are comparable. Their agenda were totally different. As I understand it, the KKK fought AGAINST black equality. NAACP fought FOR black equality. Whites need an organization to fight for whites equality. Well actually, better still, I wish we could do away with the NAACP and just have an organization fighting for all CITIZENS.
Posted by SCgal on July 23, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sorry for your loss cpienciak~
James Belli did not deserve any of that treatment in the SCDC and should be a huge embarrassment from the governor all the way down the line!!
Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 23, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Putting people in prison serves to punish, but also get them off the streets. Personally, I do not feel these kids would be that much of a threat our community if they were given a lighter sentence. These kids didn't wake up one morning and decide, "hey I'm going to help someone rob a store."
Kids are peer pressured into doing a lot of things.
I would prefer to see them go to college like everyone else their age, and making something of themselves. In my opinion, that is best for the community. (after serving a little prison time of course).
They should get into community service and volunteering.
They need to GIVE back to the community, instead of being removed from it. It will teach them responsibility and compassion.
I feel very very sorry for their families of everyone involved. These kids are just lucky nobody was hurt.
Children must be taught that just being in the presence of no-gooders can get you in a lot of trouble
Posted by Early on July 23, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
In1959, I hear you, I have never met anyone associated with the KKK nor would i ever want to. I also agree with the post that too many judges have too much leeway in their sentences. I do not approve of these guys behavior at all. I think some jail time is needed but, I refer back to the many articles which refer to a criminal committing crimes while out on parole for aggravated assault, robbery etc.
These guys didn't get much of a break. It's a very hard call.
Lovely, cool beans:)
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
VMI, I got what you were saying about the sentencing, I was just throwing out the one example they have now to counter your point because I know someone else would do it to. It's call beating them to the punch. Man, I am being misunderstood all over this board today. Lighten up people.
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by number1volsfan1 on July 23, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The judge should have offered 6 years in the military as an alternative to prison.
Why should the military have crooks forced on them? I for one would not want any of these thugs watching my back.
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
farfallaspeaks: These kids didn't wake up one morning and decide, "hey I'm going to help someone rob a store."
Um, actually they did!
Posted by VMI90 on July 23, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Lovely, I hear you- that's the problem with internet postings- you can't determine the tone or inflection of the person's voice, thus unable to determine sarcasm or emphasis on a particular point. Your point is well taken, Lovely.
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks, VMI! I learn that in my Internet courses, I should have known better. :-)
Posted by SCgal on July 23, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I for one would not want any of these thugs watching my back
Amen!!! A pellet touting inexperienced teen offers very little defense or harm to others that's for sure!
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Man, I am being misunderstood all over this board today. Lighten up people.
Look at the side bright side Lovely....YOUR KID CAN READ
Posted by VMI90 on July 23, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You and I don't agree at all politically, Gadsden- you know that...however, I must admit, that is funny.
Posted by MissPriss on July 23, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think the sentence is fair.
Do the crime then the time.
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 23, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
These kids didn't wake up one morning and decide, "hey I'm going to help someone rob a store."
You are actually correct farfallaspeaks. They did not wake up one morning,,, They woke up serveral mornings planning this....and by the way if they robbed you of your pot at gun point would feel the same?
Posted by MCalmus on July 23, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think that the sentence should be compared to appropriate action at the time of the crime. Had this robbery gone bad and a vigilant citizen dropped a handful of these guys dead, I seriously doubt charges would be brought on said citizen. That means it would be considered acceptable justice.
The truth is, the victims had no idea these guys were underage, underarmed, or any of that. But none of that changes the crime. These guys should happily take the sentence given them knowing that it could have been much, much worse for them and their families.
Posted by lou9 on July 23, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Boot camp? What a load of horse manure. They should do jail time, then boot camp, then parole. Once again money talks and justice walks.
Posted by Girleygirl on July 23, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
farfallaspeaks: These kids didn't wake up one morning and decide, "hey I'm going to help someone rob a store."
Actually Farfella they woke up sat at a kitchen table for about 2-3 days and planned it. It was actually premeditated. They even planned their punishment. They "thought" that if they sent the younger one in he won't get a severe punishment since he was just 16. You can read the attached article from 011207 so you can see for yourself.
SO let's see they planned their robbery, punishment, and look what is happening...they are saying its not fair.
I think whomever they got their legal advice from need to go to jail too!
I have no sympathy for them because I truly think these kids are not sorry for their actions.
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
They're criminals, did anyone forget that? So what if they used pellet guns, no one in the store realized that they weren't real guns. As far as the victims and responding authorities knew, these kids were armed and dangerous.
gadsden- that's pretty funny about Obama. I actually received a pretty interesting email about his policies and how people are more concerned with his race.
Unless I misunderstand, these kids are not serving six years. It can be UP TO six years, but in the beginning states that they will prob serve 12 to 18 months.
And the criminal courts aren't as racist as people think. For example, more black criminals are sentanced to the death penalty, but they actually kill more white criminals. This is a high profile case, and they're going to use these "kids" as an example.
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gadsden, you tryna (that's right tryna) get me fired on hump day! I am in here shaking my groove thang and boppin to the beat!!! And you are so right about the fact that if a customer had their own gun and decided to shoot these "kids" it would be no one's fault but the "kids".
Lol! jeff, yes my kid is not illegitimate. He can read! Put one in the win column for Lovely!
Posted by coolfreaknbeans on July 23, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The youthful offenders prisons used to be a joke.I know someone who was sent to one years ago.It was MacDougall.They were in prison with people as old as their parents.(not that I'm against that)but I don't want people to get the idea it's a summer camp for teens-it's not.It was a prison like I imagine all others are.I think a lot of these youthful offenders would highly benefit from an intense scared straight,no bs,mentally and physically tough boot camp.(and not a 30-60 day stint)I honestly think it would produce better citizens vs regular prison.I think if they screw up ONCE while enrolled-they should be immediately sent to regular prison.I do not think these boys shouldve gotten a slap on the wrist.They deserve harsh punishment.But I am absolutely sick and tired of the imbalance of justice.I would welcome these lil wanna be thugs in my neighborhood any day over these murderers and child rapists who are let off scott free because they are "sick" and "can't help themselves".And what about the gadsen green thugs who were sent to group homes for extra hugs?wtf?
Posted by MindBath on July 23, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
farfalla, the problem is people are watching what happens to criminals. Other kids see them get off and they think they too can get away with crime = more lives ruined.
Sadly, these kids will have a tough road getting their lives back on track, but society must show there are penalties for wrongdoing. Also, the fact that some of them got in trouble while awaiting sentencing shows they may not take the law seriously enough.
The greater good, you know...
Posted by tallblonde on July 23, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Again, if there were no robbers - there wouldn't have been a need for look-outs. Each one of these young adults (not kids) had a role in this crime.
They didn't "TP" a yard - they didn't spray paint a mailbox - they're not pranksters. They planned & executed a crime as a group - and I'm glad the court sentenced them equitably.
Posted by cpienciak on July 23, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
WAKE UP PEOPLE THEY ARE JUVENILES AND DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE AT LIFE. I'M NOT SAYING THEY DON'T DESERVE SOME SORT OF PUNISHMENT BUT PRISON WITH HARD TIME CRIMINALS THEY DON'T DESERVE.
Posted by SCgal on July 23, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This and the news report about how I certainly had the authority to move the case to Family court statement!
http://www.tribaltribune.com/articles/wi...
http://www.tribaltribune.com/articles/an...
(the Mike Anthony first section brings tears for several)
http://www.tribaltribune.com/articles/sh...
Posted by VMI90 on July 23, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There is also another point that i have not seen anyone mention here. If someone has, I apologize. They apparently show NO remorse whatsoever. 4 of 7 of the defendants were cited for underage drinking DURING their court case? Partying while on trial for armed robbery? Sure doesn't sound like they made a mistake and are truly sorry for it to me.
Posted by MCalmus on July 23, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
cpiencciak,
They've gotten a second chance at life. No one at the scene of the crime issued the ultimate punishment. The fact that they DO NOT SEEM TO REALIZE AND *APPRECIATE* THIS and take issue with the prescribed punishment makes me question their regret.
Posted by VMI90 on July 23, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
what's your point, SCGal? That brings you to tears?? Spare me. What should bring you to tears is a family losing a loved one, an animal being abused, the birth of your child- that sort of thing- not some thug that goes to jail for armed robbery.
Posted by SCgal on July 23, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
And what about the gadsen green thugs who were sent to group homes for extra hugs?wtf?
Is this really the case? The GG kids received this sentencing?
Posted by coolfreaknbeans on July 23, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I hate to bring up this point but....Can we imagine for a minute if the situations were reversed?What if a group of black youths(gadsen green guys)robbed a store with a pellet gun(no shooting involved)and got 10 yrs and a group of white youths(Mt P douchebags)shot people with a pellet gun while robbing them just got sent to group homes?The NAACP would be all over it shouting racial inequality.And for ONCE :)the NAACP would be just in doing so.
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
cpienciak, I understand that you are upset about your nephew's death, as you should be. But could you please lay off the "caps lock"? It makes reading your posts difficult. Also, could you stop being the voice of doom. All of this "if they are lucky to get out alive...they won't come out alive...they don't have a chance.." stuff is really depressing. My condolences to you and your family on the loss of your nephew all the same though.
Posted by SCgal on July 23, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's sad to think at the young age of 8 or 10 that when other kids are out playing, being kids, that he is wondering why he has no family that wants him or can care for him and why as a child his life is what it is~ no child asks for or deserves that!
Posted by Rebel_Yell on July 23, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"I have great concern for someone who is out on bond for armed robbery continuing to party while underage," Wilson said.
Wilson needs a man and a reality check. Shocking news that an 18 year old would want to party--shocking, what horror. Glad the judge swept her 'partying concern' aside as irrelevant.
Posted by Floger76 on July 23, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
VMI - Don't you find it a little ironic that they are old enough to do the time for this crime, but some got nailed for underage drinking??? And were they doing the drinking? I thought that they were in the presence of other underage drunks. Not sure.....
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SCgal, (on the GG boys) some went to group homes, some went to stay with relatives, and I believe only 1 went to juvie.
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
they're between 16 and 18, they know the difference between right and wrong.
scgal, what 8 or 10 year old are you talking about? Do you want to fight for the rights of the 14 year old boy that raped and killed an 8yearold girl? Maybe he doesn't deserve to be punished because he was just a kid and it's heart breaking and... stuff.
Posted by VMI90 on July 23, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't get me started on the underage drinking statute- that needs to be changed, and is another issue. My point is that they don't seem to be contrite one bit- and they were breaking ANOTHER law as they were on trial. I would be a wee bit more careful if I was on trial.
Posted by SCGirl0901 on July 23, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
No Jeff.. Again I'm not in the picture - quite a bit older than the girls in the picture. And yet again, you've missed the whole point of what I was trying to convey regarding the sentencing. Debating with you is like nailing jello to a tree.. Have a good one.
Posted by prosperous_hb on July 23, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I bet the folks of Mt. Pleasant won't be voting for Scarlett Wilson the next time.
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by SCgal on July 23, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's sad to think at the young age of 8 or 10 that when other kids are out playing, being kids, that he is wondering why he has no family that wants him or can care for him and why as a child his life is what it is~ no child asks for or deserves that!
What??????
How about waking up about this crime SCgirl. Please try to justify to us how this group planned this crime out in detail and I guess we should be gratful they did not plan a home invasion ,,, Again did they not continue to commit another robbery of a SUBWAY and steal a car???? By the way I am sure you will be able to visit your buddies at prison. You all can have another group hug...
Posted by BILLYBOB on July 23, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
THEY DIDN'T EVEN GET A FRESH HAIR CUT..THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE TOO GOOD TO EVEN DO SOMETHING THAT SIMPLE!!!!YES OTHER PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN OFF WITH A SLAP ON THE HAND FOR CRIMES, BUT MAYBE THIS IS A WAKE UP CALL FOR OUR COURT SYSTEM TO PUNISH FOR CRIMES AND YOU WILL SEE THEM DECREASE.NO GETTING OUR BEFOR THE (TIME) SENTENCE IS FULLY SERVED WOULD ALSO HELP STOP WHAT WE HAVE GOTTEN INTO.
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gadsden: "Enjoy the unsolicited hot beef injections from you fellow prison mates..."
Wow, that is certainly a different and colorful way of putting it!
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by SCGirl0901 on July 23, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
No Jeff.. Again I'm not in the picture - quite a bit older than the girls in the picture.
Right Like a mother or an aunt??
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ooh, archdude is starting with the personal insults. You know what that means!
nothing valuable to contribute.
Posted by tallblonde on July 23, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SCgal - from the article you posted - it seems Mike Anthony already HAD a 2nd chance when Beth Pilling adopted him...and look at the heartache he caused her & the laundry-list of petty crimes he committed leading up to the Food Lion crime. With any luck, his sentence might stop the destructive path he was on - and when he completes his sentence, let's hope his 3rd chance is a life-changing one.
Posted by SCGirl0901 on July 23, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Jeff.. I think you are confusing my posts with someone elses. I stated in my post that they should be punished. But the fact that there are people out there who have committed positively heinous crimes and have not served severe enough sentences for their crimes. Simply talking about fair and equitable sentencing. Period.
Please find a quote in any of my posts where I stated they were "poor kids", deserved a free pass, didn't deserve to go to jail, should get off scott free, etc. If you can't find any of that in my posts - BACK OFF!
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You're right, because me being 21 and a functioning member of society is a problem? Last I recalled, I'm an adult. I support myself. Yes, I go to school, since when is that a bad thing? Forgive me for actually doing something with my life. Didn't mean to offend you by not being nearly as old as you are.
But I'm educated, and can form a coherent thought beyond insulting people. Call it a talent.
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm in engineering, our professors don't give us those talks. I don't get this from my parents, I just read on my own. Age really doesn't have anything to do with this. Other posts here aren't much older, and have contributed.
And yes, I said I'd turn myself in. If you'd read the whole thread, it was because someone else made the comment about the "hard core" parents that just don't care that their kids are going to jail. It doesn't mean they don't love their kids, but those values come from the home and evidently somewhere theirs went wrong.
And as far as improving situations: the issue on this topic is that these teens committed a crime and suddenly are all upset about being punished. They and others like them need to accept the consquences of their actions. None of this bleeding heart "but they're only kids!" mess.
But I'm only 21, I obviously don't know anything about the world...
Posted by sc4peace on July 23, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I feel awful for the guys and their families. I also feel awful for the families who were victims of the robbery. The punishment is what it is- punishment- it's not supposed to be easy- it's supposed to match the crime- and in this case, I believe it did. The Gadsen Green boys deserve the same punishment as well....and if they don't, then lets all wonder what the true agenda of the NAACP really is...although most of us already know- they will not say a word if they get off- I guarantee it.
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Uh, arch, lighten up dude. These are just posts in an oline newspaper. This is not city council or even a student council for that matter, so our posts will not be life changing for any one or their situations.
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
lovely, I am glad you posted that and I don't know why I'm arguing with him. Once again, "trying to win an argument here is like participating in the special olympics. You might win, you might lose. but either way you're still retarded."
If he has a problem with me being in college still and trying to actively learn about what goes on around me, well, that's a little counterproductive to society. Maybe he needs to get more involved in his "Important company," and don't hire any college kids! We're obviously all incompetent.
Posted by Girleygirl on July 23, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm leaving this thread...tempertures are rising about criminals going to jail and folks want to cry about it....
I guess I will follow Gadsen to firehouse and I want your pickle!
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wando sentences vs. Gadsden Green sentences (non-sentences) is the legal system trying to even the score, that's all.
Posted by Tammie on July 23, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gadsden, glad you're thinking about me and the bebeh...lol
Posted by tallblonde on July 23, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
psssssst archdude - I believe that should be "actually not everyone in the Special Olympics IS...." rather than "are"....
Carry on....
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow. you're arguing over something that is nothing more than a metaphor. I'm aware of what the special olympics is. There's also the paraOlympics.
I had this long thing typed out before my computer froze in response to the prison thing. I now realize that it's not worth it, because you obviously have alot of time on your hands. I know I do, but I'm bored at work and waiting until lunch.
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
archdude, people have done that over and over in these posts, they just get lost in all of the other 100+ posts that are on any given story. These are the same stories posted day in and day out and by the 2nd day we have run out of the "viable" solutions. Now it is just "oh well, this again. What can I say today that I didn't say on the other 12 stories that were posted about this? Absolutely nothing, so I'll either repeat what I said before or go off topic a bit." That's all archdude, it's not that there is no intelligence in here, it's just that the stories are the same. Beating a dead horse, ya know?
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by archdude on July 23, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You know...
Now that most states' National Guard is indefinitely tied up with the mess that is Iraq it would behoove each state to create a juvenile offender version of the national guard to handle many of the domestic issues for which the guard is generally utilized.
Nice thought but now you have convicted criminals that the state and public are relying to protect your property during a diaster when in fact they may be the ones end up stealing it. Who would keep them in order???
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Nikki, yes, you should not let anyone in here get to you. Let this be a lesson to you...Lol!!!
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Uh oh, better not tell those horse beating jokes either, Lovely. A horse owner or a member of PETA might get upset!
Posted by mythoughtsonly on July 23, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gadsden's 10:40 post, which does not deserve repeating, was absolutely NOT "a different and colorful way of putting it!"
Posted by guidedbystewart on July 23, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree with about 99% of what you were saying...
yet, it just doesn't warrant your pedantic (I am smarter than though) ranting, and you dissing my school.
FYI, arrogance is not very becoming.
Posted by guidedbystewart on July 23, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
archdude,
I agree with about 99% of what you were saying...
yet, it just doesn't warrant your pedantic (I am smarter than though) ranting, and you dissing my school.
FYI, arrogance is not very becoming.
Posted by drp7773 on July 23, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
wow are those real tears or did they plan them too. I would suggest they get haircuts before they go, that one looks like a girl. Poor poor ARMED ROBBERS babies..
Posted by carolinamommyof4 on July 23, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I used this case as a teaching tool for my child. I sat my middle-schooler down and we read this. I explained how lucky these kids were to get a fair sentence. 90-120 days in boot camp is fair in my opinion.
I told him to walk a mile in the shoes of the employees. Could you imagine doing your job and having a "gun" pointed at you? The fear of never seeing your children again. The thoughts of "will I die"?
Will I see my fellow employees gunned down?
I understand it was not a real gun, but at the time...that fact wasnt known.
They could have even lost their own lives if someone in the store had a concealed weapon and shot at them.
I did point out to him that if he ever, ever, ever did this...he would be LUCKY to go to jail. I would give him a butt cuttin to remember. I dont even spank my kids, but this is one instance where if the legal system failed...I wouldnt fail to deliver the punishment myself.
Posted by coolfreaknbeans on July 23, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I might actually pay money to see some people beat with a prosthetic limb.
Posted by MCalmus on July 23, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
archdude, is the pissing match ("owning a large company and I have multiple degrees", "MIT where I was once offered a full ride when I ended my military service", etc) really necessary? Not to discredit any of it, but it just comes off as a desperate/pathetic way to establish some sort of stature and make your points. In any case, folks with a legitimate claim on those sorts of credentials tend to focus more on the issues at hand and not fall back on advertising their accomplishments.
That said, I do agree with your want of more talk regarding positive (for all parties) punishment. There should be a way to make the youthful offenders program more efficient.
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, scgirl you seem to be ignoring the question if they committed additional crimes such as robbing a subway and stealing a car after robbing the Food Lion. If you don't know then fine, I am sure someone will comfirm this to be a fact or not,,
But since you seem so concerned with this bunch,, You be the judge in this case,
What is the exact sentence would hand down to each of them?
Taking into account that multiple crimes may have been commited by some of them before and after the Food Lion robbery,
The fact that while out on bail, some were involved in under-aged drinking,
Is this a truly first time offense for each of these guys?
What have they been doing with there selves since there arrests..
I may even be in agreement with you on some of the sentences.
Posted by Alita on July 23, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The Wando Teenagers got what they deserved; actually less. Someone could have been hurt or killed. Maybe their parents as well as the teens have learned a lesson.
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 11:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
mythoughtsonly, It was "my thought only" that Gadsden's phrase was indeed "a different and colorful way of putting it!" I saw it as that and that is why I wrote it. It is called MY opinion and not yours!
Posted by studley on July 23, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Archdude: Stop talking about Gadsden.
Posted by guidedbystewart on July 23, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Apologies accepted archdude,
It is my belief that education is what you make of it...
As far as the Park Circle area goes, sssssshhhhh! it is supposed to be a secret, let’s not ruin a good thing.
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What about just using non-violent offenders for the "correctional guard?"
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Was this Wando group of teens involved in the Special Olympics????
By the way I saw the humor in that Special Olympics post made a few days ago as it applied to the topic...
Posted by southbel on July 23, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
For those of you suggesting the option of military over prison time. When I was in the Marine Corps - not in the too far distant past - I was in boot camp with a girl that was given this option. She was from California and had become involved in gang activity. She was given this option.
Point in fact, she turned out to be one of the best recruits in our platoon. So, this practice is still utilized by some judges and for this one case that I know of, it did work. Marine Corps boot camp is no walk in the park. In this case, it produced a VERY productive citizen. A Marine. The best in the world.
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey wasn't this group of teens part of the Wando Football Team? Maybe they could put those skills to work in jail and do a remake of "The Longest Yard". Only this will turn out to be as funny as the first
Posted by southbel on July 23, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Nikki - I had job offers from NASA, NOAA, and the DoD from the "lowly" USC engineering. So it can be done. By the way, never had a problem with getting past any reputation of my school.
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)
archdude, I already have had to deal with the "reputation" issues. I have an internship this summer (why I'm not in class as you asked earlier, haha) and most of the other people here are Clemson students or fans. If I told you the mess I've heard and had to put up with, it's a little intense.
As far as non violent:
Don't limit it to just the kids. For example, you could put the adults who are in jail for things like not paying child support in that sort of institution. It would mostly likely be handled on a case by case basis, the only problem being the crazy judges we get every once and while.
Taxes and prison: something needs to be done with the illegals that are in our prisons. I'd like to say send them back (there would need to be a comparative cost analysis between deportation staying in prison) but I don't think most countries would take them, especially mexico. They send them here (nother story...)
Posted by SCHoser on July 23, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)
archdude-if you don't like reading some posts, then ummmm...don't read em? Give us a break-everyone has the right to post on here whether you like it or not. Get over yourself.
Posted by BigSargeofSC on July 23, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Amen!!! A pellet touting inexperienced teen offers very little defense or harm to others that's for sure!" -SCgal
There might have been little physical harm done with a pellet gun, but what about the mental scars? I'd be willing to bet that if you made a gun-like gester at the victums of this crime, they'd freak. The average person will not be albe to identify a pellet gun from a .45 Cal in an armed robbery situation. And you think this group of idiots didn't know that and didn't play on it?
"I don't see how completely and totally ruining 7 lives is the answer here. "- SCgal
Who do you blame for their lives being ruined? Are you suggesting that they should not be punished for their crimes? They knew the risk and they were too stupid not to take it. Now, they get to spend some quality time with their choosen "peers", others who decided that crime was the way they wanted to their lives to go. No one ruined their lives but themselves.
Posted by Roger1978 on July 23, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The headline should read "7 CONVICTED ROBBERS GET PRISON" since you know, armed robbery is a VIOLENT FELONY. Ask mommy and daddy to send you SOAP ON A ROPE it'll come in handy.
Posted by abitskeptical on July 23, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We were t-boned by a speeding car. Our 4-wheel drive very large SUV carrying 5 adults & 1 child was pushed side ways & flipped onto its roof, by a much smaller SUV carrying one adult(tells you how fast she was going). It was truly one of the most horrifying experiences of my life, although we were not seriously physically hurt...cut requiring sutures, bruises, etc.
Now my children & I fear that we will be maimed or killed every time a car speeds past us or towards us.
I never have seen these speeders apprehended, but in the event that I ever witness this, should I stop & tell the arresting LEO of my previous experience with a speeder, & should the 1st speeder & all subsequent speeders get a tougher sentence or fine because of the mental scars I carry from the t-bone incident?
I do not mean to diminish what the victims of the Wando crowd incident felt. I am just wondering how far reaching do we go with punishing for things that are so difficult to measure...like mental scars?
BTW, the speeder that t-boned us could not have "mistakenly" been speeding as she was only yards out of a 30mph speed zone & she was going at least 55mph.
Posted by BigSargeofSC on July 23, 2008 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My point with the mental scars is a counterpoint to SCgal's post about no one getting harmed. Do try to keep up.
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
gah, i'm lost in the postings now.
But when discussing prisons and those changes, I do think that the issue of illegal immigration will always come up.
yeah, the non-violent offenders need to be categorized and something different done with them. Just like I think most cases of statchetory rape (sp?) should be handled differently that child sex crimes or other forms of rape. Unless there's a significant age difference.
southbel- that's awesome to hear, actually. Where did you take a job?
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by archdude on July 23, 2008 at 11:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Jeff61
Read the rest of my post from which you cut and pasted.
Dude,, if you haven't noticed,, we all cut and paste from each others posts. From reading posts the past year it seems to be the way of addressing a person and not misquote them.
I found your idea interesting and I simply asked a valid question about having criminals guarding life and property. I am not sure what kind of modern technology is available that would ensure they are not committing additional crimes while out and on “duty”.
Now on a different subject,,, This is what it is, a online newspaper comment section that most people use as a chat room for the most part. (No offense to anyone!!!!)
Although there are some very bright people with very insightful and sometimes humors posts, I serious doubt any solutions comments made here would be taken serious by those making the decission.
Not sure why you feel the need to here and beat up on people which you often do. You seem to have a history of that.
Why the need to spout your credentials of owning a large company and having multiple degrees trying to put yourself above everyone else. I willing to bet your one big pr!ck to work for and none of your employees can stand you. They probably write nasty things about you on the bathroom stalls.
***Jumps from his big large important company desk to go look**
Why not spend your time writing a letter to the editor or something if you feel the need to be heard and feel important. Maybe you will get top billing since you’re the owner of a large important company.
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oh lord, I just read Gadsden's list and I think most of those apply to me. It may just be the fragile self esteem, but I feel hurt and rejected. But I *am* special.
I wonder how many of the teenagers sentanced suffer from similar problems?
Posted by icunvme on July 23, 2008 at 1:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
They got what they deserved. I really believe if there was not an African American involved they would have gotten a lighter sentence.
Posted by bcmo on July 23, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
FYI: The boys sentenced yesterday were not involved in the Subway or Car Theft incidents--nor were they accused of such. This is in response to the poster asking for clarification on this matter.
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
those in glass houses....
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by bcmo on July 23, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
FYI: The boys sentenced yesterday were not involved in the Subway or Car Theft incidents--nor were they accused of such. This is in response to the poster asking for clarification on this matter.
Ok,, thanks... That can be put to rest.. Must have been a different group...
Posted by Ewash on July 23, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think what many fail to acknowledge is that these teens are not criminals, thugs, or hoods. Kids who lost their way. I know it's a heck of a way to loose your way but never the less they did. Most of them are attending college trying to continue with life. Their parents did not raise them that way I'm pretty sure. Instead of the time they got or how much the will serve let's focus on what they are doing right. What they are trying to do. It happened FORGIVE and move on. I am tired of seeing people who more than likely don't know any of them talk about them like that. Remember the news never reports any good it's always killings,rape and other horrible stuff. So naturally they won't tell you that all of those boys were respectfull, courtiuos,and otherwise smart gifted talented people. Please don't just look at them as thugs they are so much more that what you read in the paper
Posted by southbel on July 23, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nikki - I ended up going with a DoD position so that I could continue to support the military, something near and dear to me. My USC education (even with that "supposed" reputation) has served me well and I have done extremely well in my career and I feel I have been an asset to both the DoD and the military as a result.
Do not let others who are self-consumed with their own importance smear your own worth. Understand where and how you can contribute, work hard, and do so. That simple. You get out of your education what you put into it.
I normally do not comment on these stories but I am intrigued with this one. It's primarily due to the disparate punishment between the Gadsden Green boys and these Wando boys. There is a myth that being from an affluent area would help you get a lighter sentence, but as demonstrated in this case, it actually worked against these boys. Interesting.
Posted by SCHoser on July 23, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What is the strange brew marathon? Either way, I'm sure you do go for the dog-something tells me that's just you. What's the matter? No one paid any attention to your first few civil posts so you had to get attention by insulting people? There again, that's just you. At least you are getting the attention you so desperately crave...
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I could never be narcissistic, I'm too good for that!
Posted by jeff61 on July 23, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by archdude on July 23, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You know what, if your employees love you then you are doing something wrong.
Your absolutly right,,, that is why Google has done so sh!tty over the years... The owners are such azzes they recruit the best talent.
by the way we all got together and took a vote... You will pround to know you have again been voted "Richard Cranium POSTER of the month" Congrats....
LOL I bet they really do write about you on the bath stall walls. Don't they you little snake>>>>
You other motto is "Do as I say not as I do"
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ewash- I feel like committing armed robbery makes you a criminal. Call me crazy, I thought that's what the term meant.
Posted by shoelaces on July 23, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
They are lucky to be alive. The employee could have had a weapon and killed any of them.
As for the sentence I think it was probably the best for all considered. Why ruin the lives of these 7 boys forever. As it stands what kind of a future will they have when they serve their time be it boot camp or prison?
This will follow all of them forever, as it should. But again, why not let them have some shot at redemption? This was their first offense. I can guaran-damn-tee you it will probably be their last.
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
southbel- It's good to know not everyone is going to regard a college-age person as incompetent.
I think I need to save that post; I work with freshmen throughout the school year and that's definitely something they need to keep in mind. And it made my day!
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by nikkiP "ewash- I feel like committing armed robbery makes you a criminal. Call me crazy, I thought that's what the term meant."
Well, Crazy, I think you are right! Lol!
tripsa, you are so right and Airplane was one of the best movies every. Good ole' Leslie!
Posted by nikkiP on July 23, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
lovely- haha, thanks for reassuring me I haven't lost my mind.
ever think that sometimes we just need a little chatroom for off topic fun?
Posted by Lovely_One on July 23, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (